Monday, March 28, 2005

Near Miss on Constitutional Crisis

Editor and Publisher has published a story about a near miss on a constitutional crisis in Florida.

The story says State Police were sent to Terri Schiavo's hospice to take her to a hospital and re-insert her feeding tube. Local police stationed at the hospice refused to let them enter unless they brought a judge with them. A "showdown" was averted when State Police backed down.

In related news, late last week a man was arrested for offering $250,000 for the murder of Terri Schiavo's husband and $50,000 for the death of the judge that ordered her feeding tube removed.

Motivating these actions is a lot of right-wing rhetoric that equates the removal of feeding tubes with "murder." I predict that the rhetoric will continue long after Terri passes away.

I pray that it ends before other lives end in tragedy.


Child of God said...

It seems that you can never utter a word about this tragedy without taking a swipe at the right-wing (presumably the Republicans and the Catholic Church).

Coming from an anti-semite such as you who seems to be throroughly pro-death (whether it be Terri, Zionist Jews, by leagal abortion, or by legal death penalty,), I'm surprised that a murder contract would bother a cold-hearted soul such as yourself. Murder is wrong is any and all forms and should not be selectively condemned. We cannot pick and choose.

I condemn it all.

Tig said...

Child of God, I would rather debate policies that engage in character assassination, but Pharisees like you can't keep the personal out of the debate.

Interesting that it is now coming out that Tom Delay aided in just such a murder, by using the right wing's analogy, of his own father in 1988. News story on Yahoo today.
Woe unto to you scribes and pharisees, hypocrites in the name of the Lord.

Would that President Bush's words about erring on the side of life applied to those he allowed to be executed while governor of Texas, Would that it also applied to those he has turned such a blind eye to in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanimo that have been tortured and killed in the name of helping them become Democracies.

I learned in Speech class that people listen to the speaker, not the speach. The time has finally started to arrive where the American public realizes that Karl Rove, Bush, Delay and the other Thugs leading our country say one thing and do another.

Child of God said...

Not all issues can be as easily enveloped into right-wing/left-wing as you would prefer. And in case you failed to notice, both President Bush and Leader DeLay were recently reelected to office.

Though I have no doubt that you hold Saddam Hussein (mustard gas, rape rooms, mass graves and all) and other leaders bent on the destruction of Israel in higher regard than Bush or DeLay, you might be wise to keep your powder dry until the next election season. America dislikes a sore loser.

Nate said...

Well, I will say that this is not entirely about the right wing. I consider myself thoroughly liberal, in fact I am the administrator of the Alliance for Moderate, Liberal and Progressive Blogs which you belong to, but I oppose the withdrawal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

I'll also say that I don't think the insults in the comments of this thread are at all called for. We should be able to disagree about these things without calling each other anti-Semites and Pharisees. I think it's a shame when we can't discuss our disagreements rather than insult each other because of them.

Snoofy said...

Does anyone realize that they take patients off feeding tubes (not just respirators) all the time? A friend at works tells me they did that to his aunt in Texas some years back as her heath deteriorated with Alzheimers. Another friend had a sister with serious complications from diabetes who requested she be taken off the respirator after being on one for about three months. The doctors complied. She couldn't stand living that way, and there was no hope for recovery.

Let me tell you what it's really like for Terri Schiavo. First, she poops in her pants several times a day. For a person in her condition they put use the plastic diapers. So, unless the press is around, she sits in her poop for most of the day before someone gets around to changing her (because everyone hates doing it) - I know because I have a relative in this condition. But Terri is actually lucky. Since only her brain stem is functioning and her brain cells associated with higher reasoning have been long dead and replaced with water, she doesn't know what is going on.

The most forceful thing that even the ardent pro-lifer Richard Land can say is that Terri's family should be given more consideration by the courts (rather than letting her husband decide what her will would be). I keep looking for him to say Terri should stay hooked up the way she is, but I haven't seen him say it.

I'm afraid much of the nation and the U.S. Congress has been taken for a ride by a viscous family feud.

TammyJo58 said...

Child of God,

The comments you write and the tone with which you write them call into question the name you have given yourself.


Child of God said...

I am not the least bit surprised that my faith would be called into question here (that's what Baptists do best, isn't it?). After all, this is a Baptist site. Being a Catholic, I realize there is a pocket of anti-Catholicism that runs deep in Baptist circles.

Just take a look at the articles posted here and you'll almost all of social/political positions of the Catholic Church criticized in one form or another. Mr. Prescott has even revived the old warning of looming "theocracy" that many Baptists raised 45 years ago when John F. Kennedy (the last pro-life Catholic to become President) was elected. The Baptists looked silly then, just as they do now.

The Catholic ethos of supporting life in all forms and caring for the least among us has been good for America, I assert. I look forward to the day when a Catholic who is fully welcomed to the communion rail is elected President again.

Perhaps my words have been harsh, but I'll never back down from defending my church and defending life.

Snoofy said...

Child of God,

"The Catholic ethos of supporting life in all forms and caring for the least among us has been good for America, I assert."

I agree with your statement as long as life is not made an end in itself and recognizes that God is above and over all life. Certainly a Christian may be asked to give his life for God, and then giving up life is good. We must also recognize that God has given each a special time for life, that all life ends by God's design, and that this is God's plan and is also good. Abortion is wrong because it interrupts a natural process that leads to life. I then ask you to consider that it might also at times be wrong to interrupt a natural process that leads to death. I submit that both fall under what you Catholics call "natural law," a concept that I as a Baptist sometimes find instructive as well.

TammyJo58 said...

Child of God,

I am a practicing Baptist, happily married for almost 21 years to a practicing Catholic. I know and worship with a lot of beautiful, Christian Catholics. My husband knows and worships with a lot of beautiful Christian Baptists. They all love their Church AND their Lord, and they manage to do that without passing judgement on others, which is something that we are asked not to do anyway. They know that it can only help the Church, when all Christians work together to spread Christ's message. Criticizing one another and calling names only opens the door for Satan to work. It is NOT Christian. As a Christian, what you say and how you say it IS important, it is a reflection of Christ in you.

God Bless,

Child of God said...

There is certainly a wide array of various beliefs in Christian circles relating to "natural law". At one extreme, some shun modern medicine entirely, allowing nature to take its course uninterrupted by human interference. Others believe that God's appointed time arrives only when all conceivable instruments of man fail or cannot be applied. I (and I'm pretty sure you) fall into the middle of that spectrum.

The tragedy here is that--try as we might--this particular case does fall into any of our neat little ethical or theological compartments as easily as we would wish. It is in the very dispute surrounding this matter (concerning the family, the various medical and legal advisors, the will of our legislative bodies vs. the judiciary, etc.) that I find the ethos of "supporting life" and, if anything, erring of the side of life particularly useful.

The emotion and rhetoric of this case has gotten too hot, and I'm guilty of engaging in it as are many of you. The point I wish to make here is that not all of us crying out for Terri's life are trying to make political hay out of this. There are a number of lawmakers that voted an honest conscience on this, and a number of religious and legal advocates that are speaking from conscience and conviction on this.

I do take offense at Mr. Prescott's claims that we are all taking this stand for the sake of politics. Even if that were true, he becomes guilty of the same offense by volleying back.

One thing we can all agree on, however, is that the Schaivo and Schindler families need our prayers.