Friday, August 05, 2005

Intelligent Design: Comparing Apples to Oranges


The Mt. Pleasant Morning Sun has published an outstanding article by Eric Baerren that says the proponents of Intelligent Design are trying to compare apples to oranges. Here's a quote:
This really is an issue of fruit.

In one hand, you've got an orange (evolution). In the other, you've got an apple (Intelligent Design).

If you engage in a broad discussion about fruit (why we exist), it's proper to weigh the two. If you're talking about citrus fruits (science), you steer clear of apples.

Why? The apple isn't a citrus fruit. It's a fine fruit - it's kept many a doctor away, and knowledge of how to pie it made mom all-American - it's just not a member of the citrus family.

The president, however, looked at both and said, "I think this apple just might be citrus fruit."

That, however, isn't the best quote in the article. Here's the best:
If the president really thinks Intelligent Design is science, however, he's a buffoon. His own science adviser panned the idea earlier this year, and the president could get the world's top scientific minds on the phone if he wanted a second opinion. The president's word carries a lot of weight, and it's reasonable to expect that he'd educate himself a little before throwing his weight behind an issue.

15 comments:

Brad (not Beavis) said...

Heh, I don't know why people of faith think they have to force science to follow Genesis so literally. I believe God created us, but I don't take the opening text of Genesis literally. I see it more as a way of looking at how God relates to us.

My faith's bedrock is Christ and what He did for us, not on a literal view of Genesis, and it is not shaken when someone questions the validity of what I believe. When people question why we believe as we do, instead of becoming defensive, engage in a dialogue that might help them understand why instead of becoming more and more shrill in protesting against those who dare to question our beliefs.

greg said...

I happily see evolution as a wonderful process. I also question why all the fuss over ID. After all, it's not as if evolution answers the question of ultimate origins.

Scott Slayton said...
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Scott Slayton said...

I have to ask again. On a blog that consistently talks about following the example of Jesus, why approvingly quote an article that calls the President a buffoon? It's funny how we can throw Jesus' words out of the window when we are talking about someone that we don't like.

Dr. Bruce Prescott said...

Scott,

I suspect you also wonder why Jesus would call Pharisees 'whited sepulchres' (Matt. 23:27).

Greek Shadow said...

Just like Bubba, the many different annonymouses and others that come into this blog to nit pick and criticize and tush tush tush, your not being a Christian because of blah blah blah. ID doesn't give any answers it only snipes and nit picks and ridicules and that is always easy for the status quo people who like things staying the way they are, but if science just stayed the way things are we would still be dying from bacteria as no anit-biotics would have ever been discovered or developed. We'd still be walking or riding animals or using wind and water power because if God had wanted us to fly he'd have given us wings etc. etc. as to all the reasons why not to change, advance and grow scientifically, technologically, socially or culturally. To add another cliche, but true you either keep moving or you fall behind. Bush didn't just freeze stem cell research. By the U.S. not keeping up and advancing this research France, Germany, China, South Korea, Japan have left us in the dust and now we have to play catch up, because when the breakthoughs come from this research that is where the jobs and money will be, and it won't be in our economies it will be in theirs. ID is just another way of making the U.S. economically weaker at a time when we no longer have that luxury.
History lesson. Believe it or not, Evolution did not enter most high school biology textbooks until the 1960's. Sputnik scared the pants off of us because it showed we were scientifically and technologically behind Russia, and in the Nuclear Cold War that was BAAAAAAAAD. ID is trying to take us back to the science of pre-sputnik and in today's global economy that is even worse.

Patrick M. Prescott

Scott Slayton said...

Bruce,
I have never wondered why Jesus would refer to the Pharisees as "white washed tombs." He was the perfect Son of God and could see into their hearts. So he knew that they were not who they claimed to be.

So I do not think that you can make a one-to-one correlation between Jesus' encounter with the Pharisees and a modern day author calling the President a buffoon. After all, what is the criticism that moderates always offer about conservatives? It is the criticism that conservatives are mean-spirited. It seems to me that you are approving what you often complain about in conservatives. Again, I just think that it is a matter of the fact that we can ignore a person's tone when they are making the point that we want to hear being made.

Take it for what it's worth.

Dr. Bruce Prescott said...

Scott,

Frankly, buffoon is a rather charitable description of this president, IMHO.

Dr. Bruce Prescott said...

D.R.

You are suffering under the delusion of ID propaganda.

Exceedingly few scientists ascribe any credibility to ID theory.

The argument was designed by a lawyer, not a scientist.

I work frequently with genuine scientists who teach at Oklahoma Colleges and Universities -- not exactly bastions of liberalism -- and they are stepping forward in droves to actively speak out against teaching ID as science.

Teaching ID as religion or philosophy is fine. Compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

D.R. said...
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Dr. Bruce Prescott said...

D.R.

Discussions with you are ended.

Your arrogance is insufferable.

Dr. Bruce Prescott said...

D.R.

Post on your own weblog.

No one is forcing you to read what's written here.

D.R. said...

Wow, Bruce, you really are a coward.

D.R. said...
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D.R. said...

Sorry, wrong link. Here's my link again just in case your readers want to know the real story:

http://danielrandle.blogspot.com/2005/08/bruce-prescott-lesson-in-irresponsible.html

I still invite you to respond. At least defend yourself.